But I also saw a pic of one with a cracked bolt carrier (or whatever they call it). It may not display this or other websites correctly. 3-5 rds shot and stove pipe. The magazine has been loaded but the gun has never been fired. Until .45 PCCs are more reasonable in price ill pass. What are the hives' thoughts on this platform? Store Price Shipping rate Show more; Out Of Stock. Jeremy strives to collect objective data whenever possible, and looks to write accurate reviews that reflect the true user experience. City or County: Roanoke. LWRC SMG-45 By DK535, November 12, 2021 in Other Firearms & Non-NFA Reply to this topic Start new topic DK535 Forum Dabbler Members 3 14 posts Trader Feedback 0 0 0 Total Rating 0% Posted November 12, 2021 Does anyone know if the SMG-45 is legal to own in NJ? Maybe true on the out side, but NOT on the inside. Cool gunhaving one would just make me wish it was an UMP though. He said it could be the best pcc out there if it wasnt for the accuracy issues . Only trade would be a Vudoo sporter style .22 in great shape. Fit, finish, and design are fantastic (though for the consumer market I could have gone for M-LOK slots rather than LWRCs own attachment system). Fucker shifts all over the place. (Although my Barrett MRAD is definitely in the top-3. LWRC says they've resolved the issues and from my testing yesterday, it appears they are correct. Can't disagree more with the guy that said "If you know AR's, you'll know this". It includes panels to aid in gripping a hot firearm following continuous strings of fire and a handstop to prevent the user from shooting their hands similar to other backpack guns like the new Daniel Defense DDM4 Personal Defense Weapon (PDW). But hoo-eee it aint cheap at an MSRP of $2,995. It has been operating flawlessly right out of the gate and seems to eat anything from regular target rounds to my duty carry +P rounds consistently without any issues. Rapid Fire. Sponsored Content $589.00 December 9, 2021 in Pistol Caliber Carbine. Im sure Im not alone. Colt found that strategy to be unproductive. Data collection LWRC now needs data. It was happening when shooting normally, as well as suppressed. Fit, finish, and design are fantastic (though for the consumer market I could have gone for M-LOK slots rather than LWRC's own attachment system). Copyright var date = new Date(); document.write(date.getFullYear()); lwrci.com. Mainly just another fun expensive range toy. Unfortunately I hear the UMP is a big step down in quality from the MP5.. $30.00. This has never been shot. Full Member. To top that off, considering the SMG-45's compact 8.5-inch barrel, this pistol will be handy with even the longest of mounted suppressors. . Pistol forearm brace Magpul singlepoint sling Holosun HE510C-GR . as much as I like the idea of a PCC in .45 ACP, Im not seeing a reason this would be 3x as much fun as a Scorpion EVO 3 at the range. Listening closely to shooters, operators and consumers, the . Mind you that during this zero phase I was using BOTH the V1 mags and the non-V1 mags and the 15rd mag. Interesting, were you running a piston/nielsen device on your suppressor? Read up all about the magazine issues here and did another field trial today as well as zeroing my SRO to it. They are very hard to find however & most you do find are MSRP $2999 or much more on Gunbroker, ect. To be fair, Id bet you had the exact same level of bullshit with MP5s and other HK shit two decades ago when the Rainbow Six games were all the rage. Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. It's an added bonus that it's coming from a company with great people that are very helpful if you ever have the pleasure to call them. I loves me some .45 but for $3k, Im taking Dan Wesson and S&W Performance Center 1911 bobtail commanders. But again. The main reason, I gather, APC45 is still a blowback. It uses a delayed blowback recoil system and has very light recoil compared to your typical 9mm AR. Suppressed or unsuppressed. Now I have to fight her for it during couple shoots. My wife almost beat the fuck out of some skater idiot for pointing an EVO at her last time we were at a gun shop. When I heard they were finally releasing the smg I was excited just got mine and it was totally worth every penny.. you get what you pay for already filed my tax stamp for SBR.. just need to know where to buy the stock! Speaking of backpack guns and PDWs, the collapsible length of a mere 15.3 inches with its SB tactical folding brace provides the handler high concealability. I have a CZ Scorpion 9mm and this one shoots much smoother and less fatigue. ..Realistically, its no different from all the tools who grew up reading too much Soldier of Fortune in the 70s and 80s., strych9 says: I am hoping they have some updates at Shot show. For more information, please see our Also AR trigger compatible so you have the option to put whatever trigger you like in as well. As you can see, the lower is marked MULTI-CAL, and LWRC says that conversions to at least 919 and possibly other calibers are on the way. The issues poping up are a bit worrisome but I'm sure LWRC will get it straightened out. Available with lower capacity magazines to meet state or local compliance. Grab a drink this might get long winded!! Report a problem. Horrible reviews. (Which happens in under 2 seconds from a full giggle switch equipped Vector.) NEW SMG .45 PISTOL. Ships with 2 25 round US- manufactured UMP magazines with Paddle Style mag release for easy load and mag changes. My distributor has backorders for 1k+ units, and so far has received zero fro LWRC. All Rights Reserved. JavaScript is disabled. Wife really enjoyed shooting which she is does not like shooting my .45 handguns for size and stability. During firing and the initial steps . - with improvements , suppressor & optics ready, lightweight & compact with the SB brace. If you prefer different caliber rumors about caliber conversion kits appear to be confirmed and you will likely see them coming out soon. A delayed blowback is a different system. (The two round burst function is a technological marvel.) Stove piped 3 out of 5 shots. Length: 6.36". Muzzle is threaded. Garand Thumb is pretty neutral and at least he is transparent with any relationship he may have with whoever's product he is testing. Magazines in mine feeding great now. Constructed using high performance aluminum and steel materials with premium hard coat anodized nitride nickel boron surface treatments throughout, the SMG .45 is built to last. I was hoping the delayed blow back would be less gassy but it is not. I've got a long time relationship with the company, so they take pretty good care of me. As far as what this articled gun offers to me? Had a small hiccup with the mags at first but lwrc's great reps got it squared away fast! Any updates yet? You have entered an incorrect email address! Mostly the lower grip . Curious what Lwrc says, Just shot mine at 15 yards off a bag on a bench seated. You can shoot a PCC much faster and more accurately than a pistol. But it doesnt mean those are particularly good beers just because theyre sold in massive quantities. Been badgering my local dealer to find me one when no one could find them. There have been multiple people claim the same issue. Important information regarding ammo orders, Important information regarding pistol braces, The Ultimate Guide to 5.7x28mm Ammunition Pistols and Rifles [2023], The Ultimate Guide to 5.7x28mm Ammunition Pistols and Rifles, The Ultimate Guide To Pistol Caliber Carbines (PCCs) & Submachine Guns (SMGs), The Ultimate Buyer's Guide to Bullpup Rifles & Shotguns for [2023], AR10 Ultimate Guide: The Definitive Guide to the Best AR10s, AR10 Parts, and AR10 Accessories [2023]. I read his review. I think that they look cool, but Im just not really seeing the utility in it. Subbed to stay abreast of its development. and our It's a tack driver, takes Glock mags, and cost 1/3 of what the LWRC cost. Article code SMGPB45B8S. ICA5U5B16. I got to handle one at my LGS. You running it with a can? It is longer than the existing spring but not quite as long as the V1 magazine spring and it's obviously not the same type of spring as the V1, its outward finish is the same as the Non-V1 Mag spring, NOT BLACK like the V1 Spring. I hope it will decrease the shot groups from spreading so bad. You are using an out of date browser. Keeping the ergonomic traits from the AR platform and 000 UPC: 850006403509 MPN: SMGPB45B8S It is very shootable (word?) Just read some reviews on the B&T and none were flattering. Not to mention how many people with SMG/PDW/pistols/whatever put cans on them? Developed for the needs of a government contract back in 2015, this submachine gun (SMG) as LWRC calls it only recently came available in a pistol version available for the general public. Found a Kriss Vector in .45 for a third of the price that shot a much tighter group. April 29, 2019 at 21:58 If you don't have an optic yet, then no worries it ships with robust Magpul MBUS PRO backup iron sights that won't fail you when it counts. Upload or insert images from URL. We will contact you as soon as this product is available. I have the chance to get one in the next 6 days or so but I am very very very on the fence. This in vogue offering from LWRC can be easily understood considering the recent uptick in pistol caliber carbines (PCC), but what makes this product different than other offerings? Only drawback to the B&T is the magazines are expensive. Using the factory V1 mags, I put through 25 rounds of Federal aluminum case and 25 rounds of 230 ball reloads. Just placed a deposit down on one as they looked awesome. But when you can have those 25 rounds hanging off the gun just forward the trigger then youve drastically changed a factor in caliber choice. Would go with a BT APC .45. It's such a great little package on 45. LWRCICR5TG16SPRBT. 8 inch " barrel bunker hill, wv 25413: used: 7/6/2022.45 acp lwrc smg-45 pistol with sb brace brand new smg45 Can we get it from LWRC for the current owner? Pics/specs/details? COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. Hell, I just got the new gun itch I guess. They've apparently fixed my gun. Your previous content has been restored. AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own. Mine has ran flawlessly for approximately 1500rds now, No accuracy issue for me, but the bolt shattered around 1,000 rounds. For starters, the short recoil delayed blowback operating system provides the shooter a softer shooting weapon and fewer parts wear than cheaper PCC offerings. The SMG 45's 8.5-inch cold hammer-forged chromoly steel barrel gives overall length of 26 inches; that shrinks to 15.25 inches with the pistol brace folded to the right of the receiver. Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited. What if they just used a set pin instead of a grub screw (or whatever type screw theyre using). Today we're reviewing the updated version of the LWRC SMG 45! They scored me one at a great price (why you should always support your local dealers). Or have they paused it to work on the fix? The new LWRCI SMG-45 is an extremely nice looking and feeling, high quality firearm. The gun is completely ambidextrous out of the box to include the easily reversible charging handle, safety selector, and the paddle mag release similar to ones found on AK platforms. $19.99 for firearms: details: Primary Arms. Or for that matter, are there any .45 ACP SMG's that can also run .45 Super? And at 1/3 the price, I'm happy. Quick View. Thats exactly why I posted this. 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Question any one have one of the new smg with the 4 in the serial number? The barrel and bolt travel rearwards together for a short distance before unlocking This is called a recoil operation, Jeremy. Developed for the needs of a government contract back in 2015, this submachine gun (SMG) as LWRC calls it only recently came available in a pistol version available for the general public. The SMG 45's non-reciprocating charging handle folds flat and is easily swappable from left to right side. Mags are $60 from LWRC but UMP mags appear to be available elsewhere for around $45. I could go on and on with examples like thatcars, A/V equipment, etc. Update so shortly after I got my SMG-45, I started seeing flyers and accuracy issues (like in the Garand Thumb YouTube review). Next time I go to the range, I'm taking the front portion of the suppressor off to see if the weight subtraction will increase the reliability. If you want to spend less than half for a legit 45 ACP AR upper, get a Macon Armory DI45. This SMG-45 is in excellent condition and comes with (2) 25 round magazines, pistol grip tools, manual, and the original box. Ambidextrous features: Selector switch Magazine release Bolt catch/release "LWRC's innovation applied to the subgun world - very . The long-awaited LWRC SMG-45 arrived this month in a Gun Shop near you. LWRC IC-SPR (CA Compliant) Rifle | ICR5B16SPRCAC 5.56 NATO (223 Rem), Semi-Automatic, 16.1" Spiral Fluted, Adjustable Stock, Black Anodized Finish, 12" Rail, Flip-Up Sights, 10+1 Rds Hinterland #: 66655 MFG #: ICR5B16SPRCAC In stock MAP: $2,334.70 Request a price Add to Wish List Add to Compare 74677 MFG #: Add to Wish List Add to Compare Low Stock Entdecke LWRC Firearms SMG .45 Logo Land Warfare Resource Corp Vinyl Aufkleber Aufkleber in groer Auswahl Vergleichen Angebote und Preise Online kaufen bei eBay Kostenlose Lieferung fr viele Artikel! My SMG has been back at LWRC for almost 9 weeks..I sent it off for accuracy issues after some extensive testing with a variety of different ammo, including match ammo. The LWRC SMG-45 is a unique Submachine Gun that fires a larger .45 caliber cartridge, similar to its predecessor, the H&K UMP. The short 8.5 inch cold hammer-forged chrome-moly steel barrel is tough enough for hard duty use and will last thousands of rounds. Store Price Shipping rate Show more; Prepper Gun Shop. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The whole recoil system on the Vector is an interesting design and the one I shot was pretty nice, though it was a 9mm. 3k for a new gun that might shoot like sh!t is a real bummer for sure. LWRC SMG UMP 45 Auto Magazine 25 Round. The highly anticipated SMG model is built on an AR platform with innovations and high performance features you expect from an LWRCI. .Personally, if I was going to buy something specifically because I saw it in a game it would be like the BFG from Doom, Gravity Gun from Half-Life or something crazy from Borderlands or the Destiny franchise., Im still waiting for a phased plasma rifle in a 40 watt range. Quick View. I once again was driving holes in a 1inch group from a standing position at 25 yards. Same thing with the Scorpion EVO pistols. I picked one up a few weeks ago. 2.7kg. I think that tiny micro (Think MP5K / Vector) PCCs have a place in home defense and personal protection. You must log in or register to reply here. Are they still making these? 4 PlCKLENlCK 3 mo. Used New; Trade In $ 1793.81$ 1838.99 The highly anticipated SMG model is built on an AR platform with innovations and high performance features you expect from an LWRCI. Just about the coolest looking piece of shit ever made. Available in 9mm and 45 ACP, the LWRC SMG pistol has an 8.5-inch cold hammer-forged Chromoly steel barrel, a full-length Picatinny rail, a highly customizable M-LOK mounting system with panels at the 3, 6, and 9 o'clock positions, fully ambidextrous controls, a proprietary Ultra Combat Grip, an SB Tactical Folding Brace, and Magpul MBUS Pro Sights. I drooled over these when they were first teased, but $3k? I am on the hunt also, I might buy a APC45 PRO while I am waiting. Contribute to ily44s/GGC-Weapons development by creating an account on GitHub. My brother who is an Engineer also fired it- and no issues with zeroing in at 25 yards using a Holosun HS510C sight. I dont blame them either, 45 ACP is still a popular cartridge, whether you like it or not, and with all these new SMGs there arent any in 45 other than the APC as I recall (unless you count the UMP 45 recreations). I like wired operating systems. From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm. Most people are cheap and stupidthats why that sell the sh/t out of Budweiser, Bud Light, and Michelob Ultra. Now they pass on the cost to the citizen. Most of my AR-9 builds use Colt-style mags because I love how that looks over the slanted Glock mags or the banana clips seen on the MP5 or the Ruger 10/22. Took the mags apart and put a light CLP coat on the inside to make the follower slide smoothly. Or it will group ok and them have 7-9 flyers . BrianEnos.com Most notably, whatever you keep on your nightstand or on your hip. Sounds stupid, but IME, its something that attracts a certain kind of idiot and, if you get one, guess who you end up attracting? The B&T APC45 is less expensive and we feel better made. *Must have a registered ARFCOM account to win. Home protection? Too busy at work. HK Parts has the US made mags for $49. Shit hasn't changed in 15 years. The tension should be just enough for the barrel to flex in-and-out (forward and backward) but just barely. Unfortunately for LWRC, the MP5, MPX, and CMMG banshee all do it a lot cheaper. Got the zero pretty much on but it was still scattered all over the target. It features an adjustable length of pull and, based on the two screws seen in the top tube, possibly a facility for future cheek rests. His reviews on BEnos are what steered me away from buying one. It was rusty and ill-maintained. But I wanted a short .45. It looks the titties, 100% agree, but IMO anything that's $3k should eat whatever you feed it without bitching. That is awesome. Privacy Policy. $ 2,499.00 For sale is a LWRC SMG-45 semi-automatic pistol in .45 ACP. Meet the first model in the SMG Family - the new LWRCI SMG .45 Pistol . Con's a little pricey, early jams until mags loosened up, first few disassembles and reassembles were frustrating. Immediately bought 5 extra mags from HKparts.net (US made - they worked well and much less than German HK). Well the accuracy came through without the suppressor. Report a problem. I just kind of have an overall level of disgust with them due to the influence of CODMW3/other games. Last I was told engineering team is working on solutions. Trick #2: Hold the collar - turn the barrel 1/4 turn counter clockwise - slide off the collar It's a great gun but we prefer the B&T APC45 to the LWRC SMG. Add To Cart. Instead of a roller-delayed system found in Heckler & Koch's genre-defining MP5 subgun or the direct blow-back design found in many other submachine guns, the SMG-45 uses what LWRCI describes as a short-recoil action that includes a moving barrel. Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. Good Luck OP. I'm glad to gear it's shooting well for someone. ). I want one of these but not until they are squared away. From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm. The highly anticipated SMG model is built on an AR platform with innovations and high performance features you expect from an LWRCI. The stove pipe jams are consistent with a short recoil, the spent case hasn't come off the extractor before the bolt strips the next round and is returning to battery. Well, that and the 5K is just plain cool as hell. Not prone like in the video. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. The blowback design really reduces recoil. Think: $3k = KAC SR15, FN SCAR, B&T APC, etc. I saw the video from NRAAM with the rep, this SMG started as a solicitation which never went throughat the point the deal fell through, it should have been immediately reconfigured for 9MM. Crown version of the LWRC SMG-45. Its good to know there are ones that work well out there . Absolutely love this sub-gun and couldn't be happier with the fit, finish, accuracy or reliability. So the disconnect releases the hammer too soon and the trigger can't catch it when resetting 2 CryptoStunnah 3 mo. A non-reciprocating forward charging handle can be swapped from the left to the right side depending on the users preference. Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. It is multicaliber and I'm told there will be a 9mm conversion in the future. This SMG has been shown at least since NRA 2016 in Louisville, theyve had plenty of opportunity to change to 9MM and go to M-LOK, especially considering its stratospheric (for a pistol caliber PDW) $3000 price tag. The CMMG Guard and Banshee also use a true delayed blowback. Sponsored Radical Firearms Socom RPR 556 Nato AR-15 Rifle. You are using an out of date browser. I really wish it wasnt 3k . The gun will not group better than 6 to 8 inch groups at 25yrds. Grouped like shit, mine is damn consistent in its groupings. After tuning the mags haven't had a jam or failure to feed in months. Its a .45 ACP subgun that takes HK UMP magazines. Theres about 100 other options for guns that can realistically be used in the unlikely event of a home invasion while youre home. So what's next? SHTF Preparedness. Having fired the Vector (in .45) and the MP5K both with the giggle switch installed, Im partial to the Vector. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. The Vector is just the new hotness. It would be a cool gun to own if it was in 10mm and was closer to $1,500. Used it on a buy/walk tonight and it's the perfect size and weight for vehicle operations. The fact that its not a simple blowback design is nice, the design seems pretty robust, and I like the fact that it shoots an inherently sub-sonic round. $2,995.00. There have been multiple people claim the same issue. Maybe they had a vote, maybe its something else but it is what it is. Click or two UP and Left and I removed all the paint from the 2" painted square and center punched the 1" square. In .45interesting choice, but a good one. Well, probably not near you, but it is just a click away here at GUNPRIME. That dude just needs more traffic and web hits to drive revenue. Lwrc never responded to my design flaw email or at least not yet. $3k for a short-recoil PCC? Thumb is talking about. I have a dozen pistols, 4 sub-guns, and 8 rifles. If you have a question about an item, please call or e-mail for more information before placing your order. Typical LWRC quality. And yeah, I know the APC 45 pro will be close in price. ALL of them were having stove pipe issues. What does this offer over that? DSG got three of them in, but I was already on the list for one. I hope they can get the price down to more realistic levels Too many guns, not enough range time. Thanks in advance. Designed on our proprietary Short Recoil/Delayed Blowback operating system the new SMG is lightweight - 5.2 lbs and . High end shit that works. Ive read all the reviews and videos. Add to Cart. You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers. Minuteman. Time will tell need to get to the range with it more. The SCOTUS decision in NY State Rifle & Pistol Assoc v. Bruen does not have any relevance to the new ATF rule. A tubular folding stock graces the rear of the SBR version. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. The safety lever is ambidextrous, too, as is the paddle-style magazine release under the rear of the magazine well. The SMG-45 uses an inertia-driven, delayed blow-back design.